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Watsyurdeal?
03-25-10, 10:46 PM
http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/army-changes-basic-training-to-deal-with-gamer-generation/1395045



Basic training is about to get more advanced. And recruits can thank games for that.

In an interview with Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling, NPR reports that the U.S. Army is altering its basic training program for the first time in 20 years, in part to better train recruits weaned on video games.

"This isn't a decline in our recruits; this is a decline in our American society in terms of their physical capacity," Hertling told NPR. "It's just a softer generation."

Hertling goes on to explain that while new soliders are "advanced in terms of their use of technology," they're perhaps "not as advanced in their physical capabilities or ability to go into a fight. So we're taking that into consideration as well in doing this holistic review of how we do training."

So what's in store for new recruits? Hertling says the new basic training regimen will focus more on teaching recruits essential combat skills, from the use of "weapons, knives, bayonets, [and] sticks" to hand-to-hand techniques like punching, kicking, and martial arts. His aim is to better prepare them for the potentially grueling physical experience of serving in unfriendly environments.

That includes an added emphasis on discipline, which Hertling contends just isn't what it used to be.

"We certainly have a generation that is not as disciplined when they enter the military," he said, adding that while the new generation has "what they believe is a form of courage or discipline, it's not what we expect of a soldier in very tense and difficult situations."

The news comes just weeks after the Pentagon announced plans to fund new research into using games to train soldiers. The Army in particular has had a healthy working relationship with the games industry; its freely-distributed first-person shooter America's Army has enjoyed great success as a recruitment tool.

While Hertling isnít enamored with their physical prowess, he believes new soldiers with a background in games do offer one distinct advantage.

"They're different. They have a technology edge. I think they're smarter than any generation we've ever had before," he said. "They certainly ask a lot more difficult questions."



Why do I have a bad feeling about this?

jason_jinx
03-25-10, 10:54 PM
no respawn?!?!??!? ;D

Blakeman
03-25-10, 10:57 PM
Meanwhile the USMC hasn't changed it's training that much and kicks more ass. :D

WaterDumple
03-25-10, 11:00 PM
Eh, if I play Six Days in Fallujah for long enough, I'm sure I'll learn everything I need to know.

Pressing those buttons really toughens you up, m'right?

Kraker Jak
03-25-10, 11:04 PM
We still have nukes....fuck it...

drfroob
03-25-10, 11:09 PM
Perhaps the next world conflict could be settled over a friendly game of BF2...

Blakeman
03-25-10, 11:14 PM
Pressing those buttons really toughens you up, m'right?


This guy pressed his DIs buttons... the wrong ones...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCGqCGALd5I&feature=related

I love that clip. :)

Watsyurdeal?
03-25-10, 11:21 PM
Perhaps the next world conflict could be settled over a friendly game of BF2...


We'd be fucked, China would win...everytime. Then it'd just be Germany vs China.

triggerhappy2005
03-26-10, 03:34 AM
Pressing those buttons really toughens you up, m'right?


This guy pressed his DIs buttons... the wrong ones...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCGqCGALd5I&feature=related

I love that clip. :)


That is some funny shit.

Talkos
03-26-10, 03:50 AM
Eh, if I play Six Days in Fallujah for long enough, I'm sure I'll learn everything I need to know.

Pressing those buttons really toughens you up, m'right?



Hehehe, I can't help but think. All the 1st person shooters training in small unit tactics, and sudden violence, without the physical training and discipline, pounding it in that the way to better gear is off fallen enemies. By goodness we'd make a lot of excellent insurgents. :D

dex71
03-26-10, 06:47 AM
Pressing those buttons really toughens you up, m'right?


This guy pressed his DIs buttons... the wrong ones...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCGqCGALd5I&feature=related

I love that clip. :)

I would have been rolling. Quite possibly mocking as well. That guy showed a ton of discipline by not pissing himself laughing.

jmw_man
03-26-10, 07:09 AM
Pressing those buttons really toughens you up, m'right?


This guy pressed his DIs buttons... the wrong ones...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCGqCGALd5I&feature=related

I love that clip. :)

I would have been rolling. Quite possibly mocking as well. That guy showed a ton of discipline by not pissing himself laughing.

:3 brings back memories...

WorstPE
03-26-10, 07:18 AM
If I read this right. It sounds like they are going to make basic harder. Because of the games this gneration if recruiters lack the real disipline that the army needs.

triggerhappy2005
03-26-10, 07:33 AM
This has to be one of the funniest videos I have ever seen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJoeGvn6MAY

I still don't get why this is necessary but it sure makes for funny videos.

ninja|oaklandr
03-26-10, 08:03 AM
This has to be one of the funniest videos I have ever seen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJoeGvn6MAY

I still don't get why this is necessary but it sure makes for funny videos.


Does that stuff really work? The point doesn't get made because you can't understand shit. I looks like all it does is drive you insane.

puts on fire suit

Watsyurdeal?
03-26-10, 08:50 AM
If I read this right. It sounds like they are going to make basic harder. Because of the games this gneration if recruiters lack the real disipline that the army needs.


I thought they were getting softer...did I misread? ???

hawgballs
03-26-10, 09:27 AM
Yeah, the way I read it is the poolees that the military has access to are softer and less disciplined than those that were recruited in the generations before. Now does this mean that they are going to make the trainer less hard or more hard? Idunno, but I would hope that they are instilling more discipline and strength into them, rather than lowering the standards...


Trigg, catch a glimpse of a kid before he goes to USNC boot, then catch a glimpse after he is through, the amount of discipline both physical and mental is almost unrecognizable. As someone who knows, yes this really does work. And it is indeed funny to watch.

jason_jinx
03-26-10, 09:33 AM
Pressing those buttons really toughens you up, m'right?


This guy pressed his DIs buttons... the wrong ones...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCGqCGALd5I&feature=related

I love that clip. :)

I would have been rolling. Quite possibly mocking as well. That guy showed a ton of discipline by not pissing himself laughing.



ahahaha

Same here brah. :P


Long ago when I was in military school(mma) I had this problem of snickering when the DI was freaking out on someone. That was fixed within a week.......

lol good times

Hey TMD what happened on your end?

jason_jinx
03-26-10, 09:37 AM
This has to be one of the funniest videos I have ever seen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJoeGvn6MAY

I still don't get why this is necessary but it sure makes for funny videos.


lol total ambush

the hat brims.......

digital
03-26-10, 09:45 AM
Jason...that is 1 retard credit.....when you earn 10 of these your spot on the short bus is reserved.

jason_jinx
03-26-10, 12:22 PM
Jason...that is 1 retard credit.....when you earn 10 of these your spot on the short bus is reserved.


I heard your bitch ass has VIP status on the short bus. :1


Oh digi your comments are not like they use to be.......

Dont worry you will find your groove.


Its now two chicken wings...... :k

Consultant
03-26-10, 12:30 PM
Pressing those buttons really toughens you up, m'right?


This guy pressed his DIs buttons... the wrong ones...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCGqCGALd5I&feature=related

I love that clip. :)


So, did this guy ask to use the bathroom? I heard something about - this recruit needs a head call...or something.

I guess he's expected to hold it or pee his pants? (I have no problem with that, i just want to understand.)

deathgodusmc
03-26-10, 05:37 PM
Meanwhile the USMC hasn't changed it's training that much and kicks more ass. :D


+1

deathgodusmc
03-26-10, 05:48 PM
This has to be one of the funniest videos I have ever seen.



I still don't get why this is necessary but it sure makes for funny videos.


Does that stuff really work? The point doesn't get made because you can't understand shit. I looks like all it does is drive you insane.

puts on fire suit


It neccessary in the process of breaking someone down mentally so they can focus on the job at hand when in combat regardless of whats going on and yes it does work very well. It's easy to say you would have a hard time not laughing until your there. Trust me one little snicker and you'll pay for it. You'll never make that mistake again. The pit are very deep and enjoy company. Not to mention they really go out of their way to come up with new ways of making you hurt. All of which are funny AFTER you leave boot camp.







Pressing those buttons really toughens you up, m'right?


This guy pressed his DIs buttons... the wrong ones...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCGqCGALd5I&feature=related

I love that clip. :)


So, did this guy ask to use the bathroom? I heard something about - this recruit needs a head call...or something.

I guess he's expected to hold it or pee his pants? (I have no problem with that, i just want to understand.)


Yes he did say he needs to make a head call. There are things you do not do in boot camp and as you can tell on is saying you need something. The proper way would have been "Sir this recruit requests to make a head call Sir". If it took him that long to figure out the proper way to phrase it then yes he would be exspected to pee in his pants but not a good idea that would start a whole shit storm he really doesn't want for his remaining time in bootcamp.

ninja|oaklandr
03-26-10, 06:11 PM
I wouldn't laugh in a Marine boot camp, but Air Force boot camp will have you doing thing like picking up leaves. :)

hawgballs
03-26-10, 06:59 PM
Pressing those buttons really toughens you up, m'right?


This guy pressed his DIs buttons... the wrong ones...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCGqCGALd5I&feature=related

I love that clip. :)


So, did this guy ask to use the bathroom? I heard something about - this recruit needs a head call...or something.

I guess he's expected to hold it or pee his pants? (I have no problem with that, i just want to understand.)
It is all in the way it was expressed.
What was said "This recruit needs to make a head call"...... emphasizing his need.

What should have been said "Sir, this recruit requests permission to make a head call" no emphasis on personal need, just a simple request.

Blakeman
03-27-10, 11:30 PM
Also think about it this way, you want someone to get it right the first time when it is a life or death scenario. If you are not disciplined enough to ask to pee the right way, how can they trust you with a weapon system that could potentially kill everyone around you if used the wrong way? How could they trust you to drive a truck full of your fellow Marines down a road at night when you are tired.. How could they (insert other scenarios here)...

The point is to do it right, do it effectively, and don't mess up, even when it seems as simple as just asking to go to the bathroom.

Another point is that your individual needs do not trump those of the USMC and the US as a whole, you are simply a cog in the wheel of the military machine and for it to all work and not have folks die you would have to give up your own selfish needs. "Oh but it is just a guy going to the bathroom." Well the guy using the bathroom holds everyone else up from receiving training if he dilly dallys around, thus wasting money, time and possibly making him or worse the whole platoon miss something they needed to be to.

Discipline really hits home when the punishment for asking to use the bathroom wrong could result in you getting your balls busted in 'the pit' (a large lot of about 2 foot deep sand) where the DIs would make you wish you had never been born.

I've seen several different armed forces basic training, none compare to USMC boot. On a side note, if you complete USMC boot camp you would not have to take any other military branches basic training, they all realize that nothing is as hard as USMC boot.

Here is another gem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuctkYYywZ0

In this one the DI gets mad because he lets up on the other recruit when he trips, when he should have gone in for the kill. War is never fair, nor honorable.